if the elders ask a publisher if he thinks the society should change the blood policy or any policy and he admits that he thinks that something should be changed, then he can be disfellowshipped for apostasy.
however, it appears that the governing body periodically votes on proposed policy changes and a 2/3 majority is needed to make a change.
this means that governing body members often openly admit that they disagree with some official policies.
What a brilliant thought DT! I never quite thought of it like that but you make a very simple but profound point: If the GB can be disunited on some teaching or policy, then why can't the rank & file? Why should the GB get special treatment when they admit that the anointed do not have any more holy spirit or spiritual insight than many members of the great crowd!!!! This is undoubtedly why the GB are so secretive about their decision making processes.
Excellent, thank you.
i read about the high incidents of mental illness and psychiatric disorders among jehovah's witnesses and it .
started me thinking about why this is and how so.
then i made this list and realized how much a child's psyche.
Man where do you start with this subject...
Most certainly yes. They are indoctrinated with an unhealthy, warped view of 'worldly' kids from a bad age and are taught to avoid worldlies rather than interact normally with them, hence many JW's end up with introverted, smug, avoidant personalities...I've seen many.
I think it is potentially damaging for JW kids to have to decline birthdays, xmas, easter, bumping into school friends in the door to door work (used to be my worst nightmare), etc. This makes the other kids view them as weird and so the avoidant tendencies are reciprocated and reinforced and the JW child shrinks even more into introversion and avoidant tendencies. Their self-esteem is harmed.
if babylon the great is the false religion, why does someone in heaven call them "my people"?
does this mean that god has followers in other religions?
or maybe babylon the great is not what the jw's think it is.. .
This always reminds me of the Catholic advise to use the withdrawal method.
'Get out of her my people!'
LOL at r crusoe u grubby guy
nothing is more duplicitous than two expressions taught by their religious masters and used by dubs when all of their arguments have been demolished.. the first expression is "wait on jehovah.
" the second is "they're just imperfect men.
the first expression is used whenever lives are trashed by gb decisions and elder decisions and it is used when dub leaders are forced to admit that doctrinal garbage and ecclesiastical decisions are undeniably wrong.
Superb. Powerful reasoning.
what do you guys think of this you tube video?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gg4a3ardzs&nr=1
Maybe he took up a respondnets advice to read COC and pulled his vids haha.
some of you on here know that i have been fading for sometime now and stopped going to meetings for quite a while but the past month or so i have returned.i am still just not sure whether at the end jws will be found to be gods people or not.. well today i attended the early sunday meeting eager to try and do what i still think could be right and despite the doubts i have about the watchtower.. now to be fair a number of people came and spoke to me said hello and stuff.the majority just didnt bother.but what really got me today was a number of people who i thought were my friends were just hateful.i even held the door open for one of them and they just were so hatefull and gave me funny looks as if i had the plague or something.i left feeling like this is no diffrent to any other religion.
some nice and other people not so nice.all i could think of on the way home was so much for jehovah never forgetting what you have done for him.im starting to wonder whether the bible is really gods word after all.. i just feel im at a fork in the road and dont know what to do for the best..
Sadly, many JW's revel in being judgmental, petty, snarky, self-righteous gits. Their 'love' for you is totally conditional on you fully performing the entire programme of JW works. If you get to a point of slacking too much, many will resent you and marginalise you; you are no longer 'worthy' of their friendship and kindess because you are 'spiritually weak' by your slacking so much, and 'spiritually weak' persons should be kept at arms length. This ridiculous judgmentalism and lack of compassion is subtly inculcated by the Watchtow. True Christians are not that way.
the other day, i was talking to my brother and he tells me that my biological father, has started going back to the meetings and is now shunning him.
this man, now 77, has lived a life outside (sex, drugs and rock and roll) of the borg for at least 47 years.
he lives about a 6 hour drive from me.
So herein is the problem with the whole bs story. You are told to be afraid-God is vengeful, spiteful and so on. It is scored into your psyche. Problem is that is an awful thing to believe and the mind just can't get over it because once again fear is the motivating factor, But you cannot be 100% certain because we are after all thinking human beings. Why would God be so full of negative emotions?
So as long as people believe there is negative feelings about God, there will always be doubt. If anyone here can believe that the creator is not what some say it is, then perhaps you can cross this negative threshold and start to feel better about your current existence. If you can't , you will always be afraid of the unknown.
My JW associate asked me last month about this question. I told him that if you believe that God is a spiritually perfect being, then what reason do or should you live in fear? I said I am fully aware of my limited lifespan, and believe that if there is an afterlife, that I (and everyone else) would be taken care of. Because I for one do not live in fear. Only I control me. He on the other hand lives in endless fear. That's the control.
Thanks worldtraveller. Those wise and rational thoughts made a LOT of sense to me. It comes down to this: If Jehovah will terminate the great majority of humankind for eternity at Armageddon, as the Watchtower indeed teaches he will, then the Devil won! The Devil succeeded in getting Jehovah to kill billions foreve in furtherance of His own need to prove Himself to his creation as a loving, just, God worthy of worship. One doesn't have to be a genuis to see the awful irony in that. I have no desire to worship such a God, the God of the Watchtower religion. Such a monstrously unfathomable act of cruelty would also prove that Jesus was a liar since Jesus said he came to save the world. If Jesus massacres billions of mankind forever at Armageddon, by no account has he saved the world and he did not love the world as he said he did (John 3:16). You cannot say "I love you. I'll kill you!" That's evil and absurd. It would also prove Jehovah is not just because by no stretch of the imagination is to just to resurrect billions who died in ignorance but to slaughter billions at Armaggedon for eternity who are likewise in ignorance. Why should you get a second chance at eternal life based only on the arbitrariness of when in history you were born. God is not so capricious. So if Jehovah is a loving, just, merciful God, he would never, ever kill most of humanity for all eternity at Armageddon. I dont' quite know what Jehovah has in store for humanity in the future but I know it is not the awful holocaustic future that the Watchtower paints. This simple but profound epiphany is what extinguished my morbid, fear of Jehovah that kept me enslaved to Watchtowerism. The realisation taht the Watchtower was not teaching the truth about Jehovah's purposes for mankind is what broke the Watchtower's spell over me and set me free. Yes, "knowing" the truth about who Jehovah is indeed set me free (John 17:3). The Watchtower distorts this truth to keep their subjects in loyal, obedient, unquestioning mental bondage to their religionism.
provocative but way cool http://www.infowars.com/cartoons_10.htm#newyear.
would love to see some done like this re the watchtower.
Provocative but way cool http://www.infowars.com/cartoons_10.htm#newyear
Would love to see some done like this re the Watchtower
the other day, i was talking to my brother and he tells me that my biological father, has started going back to the meetings and is now shunning him.
this man, now 77, has lived a life outside (sex, drugs and rock and roll) of the borg for at least 47 years.
he lives about a 6 hour drive from me.
Guess its kind of like life insurance policy at that age. If its all true he wins; but if it's not true, what has he lost except a bit of time in his few remaining years. At least he gets some compan, and he gets to sleep at the meetings and skip field service and no one would mind.
Don't be too harsh on your old father, even though he is being harsh to your brother.
two words with a hinge in between.
change the hinge to whatever, above, beyond, before, and, or?.
can i be certain someone will answer this post?.
wot on earth are you blathering about man
